Romance Recs

Historical Romance

• Jordan & Devonnie • Season 2 • Episode 21

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Dearest Listener, Your presence is formally requested while Jordan and Devonnie explore the classic and popular genre of Historical Romance. 

You've surely heard of titles such as Pride & Predjudice by Jane Austen, The Duke and I by Julia Quinn, and Outlander by Diana Gabaldon. And while classics for a reason, the romance novels explored in this spicy podcast are sure to have you clutching your pearls and deviate from traditional stereotypes. If you're looking for magic, queer love, and greater representation in your historical reads, this is the episode for you!

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Devonnie:

Welcome to Romance Recs. We are three romance obsessed besties sharing book Recs broken down by genres and tropes so you can be sure you're getting exactly what you want out of your next read. Hi guys. Dev here. Hey. I was gonna say what I'm reading right now, but I'm not gonna lie to y'all, I have about 10 arcs, so we're just powering through Okay. There, there's a lot on my plate right now, so do without what you will keep following the Instagram social so you can see my reviews of books as they come. And that's all I gotta say about that.

Jordan:

Hi, I'm Jordan. I just finished Trial of the Sun Queen by Nisha j Tulli, and I listened to that one. So good. It was free on Audible with my subscription and I am still reading. I'm beta reading the Song of the Lost by Glennn Ashley Patterson.

Devonnie:

Woo.

Jordan:

Ooh, it's so good. So buckle up. Some bookish banter bam. Because that the ban that really leads us really well into historical and regency romance. Right? Like when you think historical romance, you think bam. Like a big flashy

Devonnie:

air horn.

Jordan:

Uhhuh

Devonnie:

So this is yeah, I know it's just us two. We don't have Christina with us today, but she'll be back in our next episode, so stay tuned for that. Unhinged. Just rocking with Jordan and I today. I do have a quote that I wanna share.

Jordan:

Give it to

Devonnie:

This quote is from one of my recs tonight, and this is a child

Jordan:

This is a child.

Devonnie:

parents. Okay. Livy says, when her mama and Pop are happy, she hears them jumping on the bed at night. Are you going to jump on the bed?

Jordan:

No.

Devonnie:

we know they're not jumping on the bed for real. So yeah, this was really cute. I can't wait to talk more about this book, but very cute.

Jordan:

you know, being a parent is so weird to be on the other side of that scandal because I feel like everyone stories from their growing

Devonnie:

scandal.

Jordan:

Anyways, family stories. So funny. My quote,

Devonnie:

Sick.

Jordan:

is gonna be unhinged my quote is actually from the Song of the Lost by Glennn Ashley Patterson. So, who knows this quote could change by the time it gets to all of you beautiful readers. But the way that Glennn writes is. Poetry. It's so beautiful and it's so great. Now, I love this quote. There are more meaningful quotes that I highlighted, but I this imagery just stuck with me. So I'm gonna go with this one tonight'cause this book is really on my mind Lately, as far as lovers were concerned. Aric had been as bland as unsalted butter, like picking a warm sun peach, only to find it too soft and over sweet. Our courtship was short-lived.

Devonnie:

I love Glenn. Glenn is like so good at words. I mean like truly

Jordan:

who have you ever thought to compare your old lovers to unsalted butter?

Devonnie:

Yeah.

Jordan:

I sure haven't. I've compared to them to a lot of things. It's so good. I was like, I can imagine exactly what kind of lover he is. I know

Devonnie:

and we don't want

Jordan:

yeah.

Devonnie:

We want no parts.

Jordan:

We're not settling.

Devonnie:

Right. Shout out to you, Glenn. Okay. I'm actually gonna jumpstart us and my first rec is not the book that I mentioned the quote from, but this is actually gonna be Salt and Broom by Sharon Lynn Fisher. And this is actually a Jane Arrow. We retelling Jane Air. I always have such a hard time pronouncing that last name, like it just trips over my tongue. Anyway, Jane Eyre. If you're familiar with Jane Ey by what's the author's name? Jane Austen. I think she's the one who wrote that story. Which follows a bunch of sisters. I'm not gonna lie to y'all. Lemme tell you just something, lemme tell you something. I've read a couple Jane Austen books and I've list watched a lot of Jane Austen

Jordan:

It's by Charlotte Bronte, but

Devonnie:

Yeah, that's what it is. It's the Bronte sisters

Jordan:

Bronte wrote it.

Devonnie:

wrote. Okay, hold on. What did the, what the hell did Jane Austen do? Pride and

Jordan:

pride and prejudice

Devonnie:

There we go. Sorry, I was in the wrong book. Okay. The Bronte. Anyway, the.

Jordan:

Oh.

Devonnie:

Jane Eyre. Anyway, this, I love this retelling because that regular Jane Eyre story can get over. It's very formulaic and in the fact that I think it's like the baseline that a lot of people tell this type of story, this trope with. But this one Sharon Lynn Fisher did something new where it was like witchy. It was a witchy retelling. The name is the same, but spelled differently, so it's still Jane Ayre. And basically Jane Eyre works at a sheltered all girls school, and she is an orphan herself who grew up at the school and then works there teaching potions and all these things. Her craft is not necessarily accepted at this time. The headmaster, if you will, of this, all girls school downplays the work. Like definitely doesn't label it as witches or anything. They're like learning, healing essentially. But their work is very important in the story. Jane Air is, or someone requests a witch specifically to come to Thornfield manner by the man of the house and. Basically, Jane and I ends up at Thornfield Manor. She's summoned by this wealthy man to go to the countryside. She's never left the school. She knows that there's something a little weird about her, and she can do magic, but she doesn't know her origins because she's an orphan. She goes to this school to basically lend her witchy services to see if they can uncover who this unknown. Demonic or whatever entity is that's plaguing the estate. And through that process, she starts to like, feel things for the man of the house. I'm not gonna lie to y'all, the relationship is the slowest burn I've ever slowed. Burned. Like they, they are crawling at a snail pace. And even when they do

Jordan:

historical romance.

Devonnie:

Right, exactly.

Jordan:

is a slow burn

Devonnie:

that's how it is. Even when they do, mr. Rochester is his name. Of course. Even when her and Rochester, right when they do decide, oh, there's something more here. We feel something more. She's still calling him Mr. Rochester. And

Jordan:

that's very historical.

Devonnie:

historical. And I hate it. But it was really fun. I think I personally like this

Jordan:

I hate it, but it was

Devonnie:

of Jane Eyre. It was cute. It was funny. There are also like some deep, dark secrets. About around Rochester Manor and what's all going on there and why this entity is hos stalking them and who the person is, which I think was really nice.'cause sometimes it felt like I was reading a thriller, but it was really like a historical romance. So I really like the witchy elements of this and the retelling of this classical story that everyone kind of knows about with this little twist on it. It was fun. But yeah, I'm not a historical romance girly.'cause one thing about me, I don't wanna be in a carriage ride. Ooh, I'm gonna take that back because if we're in a carriage for days.

Jordan:

ride.

Devonnie:

Yeah, it's, but yeah, like I'd rather be in a carriage ride if it's in fantasy when it comes to re, I don't know. There's some things that with her historical romance that I just cannot that piss me off. And there's definitely the belittling of women, the downplay of like women's gifts is

Jordan:

I have a hard time with.

Devonnie:

Yeah.

Jordan:

I'll get to that

Devonnie:

me. It's yeah. But I again, I do think it was a really nice retelling for the story that it was retelling and the twists that were on it. So, like Sharon, great job in making this witchy and still keeping to the theme of Bronte's work.'cause I think it was very close, but it was just like extra, I don't know. More relatable, I guess.

Jordan:

Very nice. I love that. I too have a hard time reading historical and regency era romance. Listen, it is 2025 and we are still fighting for women's rights and wrongs. Okay. I do not want to read in a time where even women at least in books, they're saying, oh, I just need a man to take care of me. And oh, well it's me. What is sex? Oh, no, wait, I've never heard that word. What happens tonight when I get married? Where do babies come from? I don't wanna read that. So. I have been saying it's been over six months since I decided that we were gonna do this episode because I was the one that pushed for it because I know this is a very popular genre and also because I wanted to see what I could find and I found it. I am very into historical and regency now, but only certain kinds. So my first example of ones that I stand is a Tropical Rebel Gets the Duke by Adriana Herrera and I got a an A LC copy of this through Net galley, thanks to What are the publishers?

Devonnie:

So jealous. I didn't get that. A LC.

Jordan:

it was so good by Canary Street Press. Okay, it was so good. So first of all, this is the third book in a series, but they're all interconnected, standalones. So I did not feel like I was missing out. Obviously there were other characters that popped in and out and I'm like, oh, they probably it's the, these couples are from the other books, but did not detract from the story at all. So this has great. Representation. Neither one of these characters are white. They are mixed race. And you kinda learn where they're from. I don't, I can't even say where one of them is from because it kind of gives away the secret, like of their family secret anyways. Aurora Alban Wright is a physician. She is one of, I think she's the third female physician to ever physician. She takes risks in her career. She running an underground women's clinic, so. Abortion rights. Abortion is, you know, the church rules all here and abortion is not an option, but neither is premarital sex and people have that anyways, whether they want to or not sometimes. And so, things happen. But she needs help. Like she gets to the point where she needs help. Financial help. Running this clinic. Right. And she finds someone who's willing to front her the money, who wants to help front her, the money, who knows her background, and that is the Duke of Annon. Okay. the beginning of this story starts out with her taking a carriage after a long shift of helping these women. Apollo, Caesar, Sinclair Robles door, she shows up to his bachelor pad, his den of iniquity is what they call it, and she shows up and she's I want you to fuck me.

Devonnie:

What.

Jordan:

It starts, yes, it starts that way. So she's, this is not giving anything away. This is how it starts. I need you to fuck me. And it's just tonight, I need you to make love to me. I need you to do this. I need this. And I know this won't. And she's and I know this won't be anything for you because you won't, you only do this with women once. Like it's not a big deal. Right? But then when she leaves, he drops the bomb that his dad just died and he is now the Duke. So it starts out that way. And then we, the rest of the story picks up a few years later. They haven't seen each other since that one

Devonnie:

She has a kid.

Jordan:

No, I'll say that right now. No, is not, no. She helps people not have kids Or decide when they want to. But he has not been able to stop thinking about her. He does not think about women in this way. And he is, he cannot get her out of his mind. Okay? So they find themselves in Europe, I think it was France. And so all of a sudden he hears she's in town'cause they have mutual friends. Her two best friends are married to like his brother and another friend.

Devonnie:

Very close.

Jordan:

And so he finds cute ways to support. He like sends her things that he knows she likes just based on that one night together that she said

Devonnie:

clinger.

Jordan:

I mean, he is obsessed and he needs to get married, but she's no, I will not give up my independence. I will never be married. She has secrets from her family, from her past because he's like, why aren't you getting money from your family? They're super rich. And she's I am not associated with them anymore. But it is very much about Aurora and her independence and her femininity and her feminism. His support of that. And also he's dealing with some people that can't get over the fact that it's not just a white man's club anymore. And it's not, most people, it's not like he's facing this everywhere he goes. It's like a very select couple people. Do you know what I mean? So you're not like dealing with racism the whole time, and it's not heavily focused on that. It's more of a side note which was nice to read people of color, just being a part of the world

Devonnie:

Yeah.

Jordan:

In every part of society, in every part of society, and it being like on the way to being normalized. So it was nice to focus on so many other issues going on at that time. So yeah, a tropical rebel. What gets the Duke, it's super hot and yeah, super great. And you're unraveling these mysteries and like what happened and what's going to happen. So.

Devonnie:

I love that I did. Oh, you said super hot and it reminded me my first rec, salt and broom is like zero out of five chili peppers. Babes don't go in there looking for spice. It's very much closed door. So yeah, I just wanted to mention that. My next and

Jordan:

trigger warning close.

Devonnie:

trigger warning, it's closed to romance. My next and only rec is Tempest by Beverly Jenkins. And now I will admit that I have known about Beverly Jenkins for years. I've known this is like her, like bread and butter, right? Historical Regency romance and stuff like that. Westerns and this is my first Beverly Jenkins. So could, yeah. Cheers to me. I finally broke my Bev Jenkins. Cherry. It was a very, I'll say, this is how I want. Yeah. Popping. Thank you so much for the sound effects. This is how I wanna read historical romances. So along the same I don't wanna read about a woman being barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen and like working to make everything nice for her husband. And if that is the. Story, that's fine, but I need something else from her as well. Tempest is that, this is book three in Beverly Jenkins', old West series. I didn't read the first two books. And they follow like relatives I think in pick and choose picks and chooses, but. Tempest follows Reagan Carmichael and Dr. Colton Lee. I'm gonna just start by saying Reagan already not typical. It two black main characters. The leads are both black and it's in set in Wyoming. Reagan is rich. Her family is very wealthy. She comes from money, but she decides that she wants a family. Yeah, she's super independent. But she really just wanted a family. So she signs up pretty much to be a mail order bride for Dr. Colton Lee, who is a single dad. He's a widow. His daughter's mother had died, but she goes to meet her husband and literally guys within the first 1% of the book, we're in a carriage and. Reagan is whipping out her gun to shoot at Bandits who are trying to overtake the carriage. And she's a badass. Like she whips, she like bandits. Yep. She like whips out her gun and she's shooting. I will say this isn't giving anything away'cause it's also in the blurb, but she ends up shooting her husband to be. He basic. After the bandits disperse more what they assume are bandits come to chase the carriage again. But this time it's actually help, it's people from town coming to help them.'cause they just saw the bandits. She just start firing.'cause she's I don't know who y'all are. Y'all are chasing my carriage. I'm just gonna start shooting. So she ends up

Jordan:

As you

Devonnie:

her up. Husband and that is their first meeting. Could you imagine almost killing your husband? But it was like a flesh wound. He's a doctor. It was very, he.

Jordan:

it's just a flash.

Devonnie:

With her being there are things that are annoying. There are moments where the townspeople of the town she's now moving to won't let her spend her money.'cause they wanna know, is her husband aware that she's buying all this new, all these new things, and where did she get this money and how does she have so much money? And like those things are super annoying. But when I tell you Reagan. Carmichael is a class act like the way she handles these people. And she's also very sweet and she honestly just wants to be a mom. She wants to like, you know, cook and have a good life and have a good family. And originally they were just gonna be married and it wasn't gonna be any emotions involved, but. Things happen, right? So she loves her. Colton's daughter. The daughter loves her. The daughter's so sweet. She's the one who said the quote, I read it earlier in the episode. She's looking for a mama. She wants a mama. Yeah.

Jordan:

on a bed.

Devonnie:

Yeah. So she looking at her parents, her new parents, and she's are y'all gonna be jumping on the bed? And it was so funny. It was so awkward. I will say that for this like historical western fiction vibe, romance. The spice was given dirty. I was like it, but it was so weird because it wasn't using like crass or crude descriptors that we're used to in modern books, descrip. It's using like flowery, beautiful language, but also like y'all are getting to it,

Jordan:

That's why you read these is

Devonnie:

Yeah.

Jordan:

in this, and you're like, Ooh. Yeah. His hard member

Devonnie:

Yes, I was kidding. And normally in a book set, in the current present times or even a fantasy book, I do not wanna read language like that. So yeah, it was really nice. It was really good. And yeah, there's a Reagan goes up against like family. His family disapproving her, the town judging her. And also the fact that she's not a virgin and she's pre, I love that she's not a virgin, and she's well, I've been with men before, so. You're just gonna have to deal with it. And he has to check his ego and his pride about oh, well, oh, women aren't supposed to be like that and dah. And then he has to check himself'cause it's like, what are you talking about? A lot of family dynamics at play in this story. And there's also like a little bit of a mystery. Which you kind of uncover. But it was really good. I definitely think that if this was book one, I would continue to read the rest of the series. So I may have to circle back and read books one and two now that I know who they're about. And I think Book four may actually be about Colton's sister, whose name is Spring and she's, yeah, like I absolutely wanna read about her'cause her character is so unhinged. So. Yeah. Beverly Jenkins. It is, and I think I'll read more Beverly Jenkins. You know, I feel like I really enjoy this one, so I'll definitely pick up more of her books.

Jordan:

Nice. Well, my next rec is an author that I've talked about before, Emily Raf, who is also very hot in the limelight right now for standing up for basic human rights. Shocking. I know people, how dare she protect her little corner of the internet for basic human rights. Fuck off. Anyways, that's what we have to say about that Beautiful Things by Emily Wrath book, one of the second Sons series. This is Regency This. Is why choose this is fucking hilarious. And so if you've read her like Pucking around and or anything else by Emily Wrath, you know, she goes hard. She goes hard into that. Why choose? And it's Polly. It's all Polly, like everybody's Polly. By the end. They don't start out that way, but it's by the end. So I'm gonna start by reading the Goodreads description because there's a lot of titles for people's names and I get them all really mixed up. So I'm gonna read it and interject throughout the description. So at 22, Rosalie Harrow is unmarried and near destitute. She has only two choices. Snag a wealthy gentleman or take work as a governess. Neither option appeals to headstrong Rosalie, and sees both futures as a kind of cage. Okay, so her mom passed away, or no? Yeah, her mom passed away and after her dad died a while ago so she has no money. When Rosalie gets an invitation to Alcott Hall, she believes she's only there to meet the Dowager Duchess, her late mother's mysterious childhood friend. She has never met this woman, but she, in the letter to her, says, I was your mother's best friend growing up, and she's I've never heard of you. So that's weird because I was close with my mother. As soon as she arrives, Rosalie is thrust into the middle of a house party full of eligible high society ladies who have one goal win the hand of the new Duke. So the Dower Duchess, it's her son who is now the Duke, right?'cause her husband died. Hilarity and Sue and so the Dwier invited all of these single women of the tone to, and she's she told her son, you have to choose one of these. You need to buckle down and you need to get married.'cause her son is a hot mess. More mess than hot too.

Devonnie:

Oh God.

Jordan:

And so she has to weather the center of these guests while trying to figure out why she's really here. The dower says that it's because she was best friends with her mother and she wants to make sure she's okay, but she's I've never seen you. I don't know what this is really about. So she is capable. She is. She's wary of this. Okay. So then there's the gentleman. The more she tries to avoid the high society husband hunt, the more she finds herself charmed by three very different men. There's Lord James, the Duke's younger brother, who is, he's doing all the work of the Duke because his older brother is just there to get his dick wet, basically.

Devonnie:

Oh God.

Jordan:

Because he just goes around getting drunk and making a fool of himself. That's just his life. He is a first son who should not have been born a first son. But Lord James takes care of business. There's Lieutenant Reley recently returned from West Indies and begrudgingly, which historically that's horrible. Fuck you, England.

Devonnie:

Not being in the West in.

Jordan:

and begrudgingly searching for a wife of his own because back then to up your rank in the military, you had to marry up. That's how they determined rank in the military, which is wild. And then there's the tempestuous, Mr. Burke, who irks Rosalie to no end. So the clock is sticking down until the, my calmest ball, which is when the Duke's mother, said, you have to announce a bride at this ball. If you do not, I am going to choose. And that is that,

Devonnie:

right. Yikes.

Jordan:

Rosalie believes marriage is a trap and she will never get married. But that does not mean she can't enjoy the chase while it lasts. She finds herself in compromising positions with these three men separately. She refuses to relinquish her freedom because of, you know, she's a woman in this society, but she refuses to be. Cage. She's no, I understand. This is how our society works, but I will not give in. I do not want these societal pressures that they've forced on me. It's really good. The second one is where it really gets hot. The first one is like full of tension and some stuff happens. The second one was when it gets really hot. This is an MMMF, so. The end. It does not start that way. So good. I listened to it all for free on Libby. Highly suggest it. Emily Roth did an amazing job, so kudos.

Devonnie:

I love that. I love that. It's a series too. I love series, like when you fall in love with the characters and you just wouldn't keep going, so that's good to know.

Jordan:

it is. And then I think you only had two, right?

Devonnie:

Yeah.

Jordan:

Okay, so I have one more. To highlight something extraordinary by Alexis Hall. This is number three in something fabulous series. They're interconnected standalones. Again, I did not read the first two. I got this one as an arc through net galley. I know Christina has recommended Alexis Hall books before on previous episodes. Like boyfriend material, I believe it was. So this one. Is about shorley come withers.

Devonnie:

Oh God, I hate it already.

Jordan:

Oh no, it's just so good you guys. This book is so good. He's not interested in getting married because he is so gay,

Devonnie:

Oh,

Jordan:

incredibly gay. But he is being forced to get married because that's what's ex, that's what is expected, right? So this is a historical romance. This is queer romance. But so he's have, he's being forced to get married and on the eve of his wedding, his best friend, Arabella Tartan. She is asexual. She has no interest in any romance. She is not able, she's never been able to form romantic connections. She just does not have that drive. So actually, she enjoys sex. I forget what it's called. Maybe it's not asexual, but I forget what it's called. Pan. Thank you. Like she just does not form romantic attachments. But she can even tell that. He's gonna be miserable the rest of his life if he goes through with this. Right. So she says, fuck that. Not on my watch. She abducts him the night before his wedding in a very dramatic attempt where he is so plastered and she gets him out, carries him down. His bride to be, is yelling out the window. His mother is yelling out the window like.

Devonnie:

so funny.

Jordan:

Everyone knows it Ley you get back here like yelling and she's like dragging him along. He's no, I won't. And so listening to this, it's so funny. No, I won't. I wanna back there, mother. I just, everybody knows what I want. I just can't do it. So sh she gets him in a carriage and she takes him to Gretna Green. There's a, like all this random things. And so they get robbed by an amateur highwayman on the way

Devonnie:

Oh God

Jordan:

But it ends up being like he's gay and they have this weird interaction. Then he ends up taking the carriage with them to the thing and it's so funny.

Devonnie:

it sounds funny.

Jordan:

So. They go to, they get to Greta Green and she decides that they should get married. She will not be forced into a re romantic relationship that she is not able to have, and he will not have to marry some lady of the ton who expects relations. So they decide to get married. So this is them getting married and figuring out.

Devonnie:

Oh, lavender

Jordan:

together. So the romance here is actually like between best friends She cares for him and loves him, not in a romantic way, but they love, genuinely love each other then it's about their relationship, but it's also about them finding relationships outside. Of their friendship. So then they it does follow their individual relationships. So it's cool to see Bella Arabella like navigate that and then Horley come, withers, figure out what he wants to, so

Devonnie:

Yeah. That's cute. I love that dynamic.

Jordan:

And it's so unique and it's hilarious. It's so funny. So I really need to go back and read the first two in the

Devonnie:

Yeah.

Jordan:

So that's mine. I do have, excuse me scandal by Navea Allen. I have not finished, And it's not because it's not amazing so far. It's an MMF. I really wanna finish. I wanna go back to it, but I cannot until I get all my arcs read and I've had too many lists of arcs, but scandal, Navea Allen is also super good so far. Check it out if you like. Lights out but you want a throttle historical romance?

Devonnie:

Oh, interesting. I do love Navea Allen as a writer, so I'm interested to see like this, that genre or her turk her take or spin

Jordan:

She can write it all. It's so good. But I think that's everything we found completely different. Not your stereotypical historical romance, but

Devonnie:

I think we need, we needed a little something extra in

Jordan:

Yeah. We're a little too spicy

Devonnie:

Yeah,

Jordan:

traditional.

Devonnie:

and there are so many like great historical romances, but I just feel because this isn't something I, a genre I typically grad gravitate towards, it's been harder for me to find. But like I said, I like Beverly Jenkins. I like the way she writes. I would definitely read something else by her. I think I just gotta find more authors. I think Rebecca Witherspoon, who's also an author I like, has an old west. Or wild West Series with like cowboys and stuff. I'm not sure how dated it is, but I love Rebecca Witherspoon as well. JJ McAvoy, who I have spoken about on the pod for her, princess Prince Bride series. She also has a couple romances that I wanted to read, I just haven't gotten to yet. So yeah, there are a couple authors out there doing

Jordan:

Awesome. Thank you and thank you everyone for sticking with us. This is a short one. We found some things off the beaten path for this, but we really enjoyed it. Hope you did too. So thanks for listening to Regency and Historical Romance. If you want more of these recs, if you wanna find. Other genres and tropes. Go ahead and look back at our catalog. We have so many hundreds of Recs at this point. And make sure you're following us on Instagram, TikTok and Threads We're most active on Instagram and threads, so give us a follow at Romance Recs Pod and we'll see you over there. We'll keep you posted on events in the Pacific Northwest and all the fun stuff we're getting up to. So

Devonnie:

And quick plug. If you are in the Pacific Northwest, we have a meetup happening. So head over to our page, you'll find all the information on how to RSVP and come hang out with us. Let's read, let's talk books. Let's do a book swap. So yeah, head over to our Instagram page.

Jordan:

Sunday, May 4th. All right, and we'll see you in two weeks back here for a new episode.

Devonnie:

Yeah.